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[leon baker #4]

hi, apologies if this question has been answered elsewhere but what are the actual concessions the gold coast gets?

i know they get access to 17 year olds. do the 17 year olds have any say in whether they go to the gold coast. can gc say they want player x and player x has the option of saying no thankyou and heading into the national draft or are they forced to go to the gc?

[Humble Minion]

GC have access to up to 12 17 year olds that would have been eligible for this years draft, but aren't any more due to age eligibility changes. So that's 12 17 year olds who were born from Jan 92 to April 92. Note that a lot of the real gun 17 year olds don't seem to fit into this bracket, thankfully (Matera is one, but I think he's already knocked them back). The GC can offer these kids a contract at any time, no draft involved. The kids can then either accept the contract and become a GC player, or they can reject it and go into the 2010 draft as usual. Kid's choice.

In the 2010 draft, the GC have picks 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15 in the first round, and then the first pick in every subsequent round.

The GC have the first 4 selections in the 2009 rookie draft.

The GC can sign up to one uncontracted player from each club. This requires the players' agreement, but the club has no say. Any club that loses a player in this way will be compensated a single draft pick to be used in any of the subsequent 5 drafts - the exact pick is determined by the AFL according to a secret formula but will never be better than a pick at the end of the first round.

GC have a bigger salary cap and list size than the other clubs for the first few yearsP:
2011 – 48 senior list, nine rookies with $1m TPP extra allowance;
2012 – 46 senior list, nine rookies with $800k TPP extra allowance;
2013 – 42 senior list, nine rookies with $600k TPP extra allowance;
2014 – 40 senior list, nine rookies with $400k TPP extra allowance;
2015 – 38 senior list, nine rookies in line with other AFL clubs.

There's also a few extra bits and pieces - zone picks, PSD access in 2010, Qld rookies, etc, etc. But that's enough to be going on with.

[beerme]

HM, you are an absolute guru on this topic.

Do you know if they have to pay a certain amount of the salary cap? I think at the moment that 92.5% (?) has to be paid by all clubs due to the agreement with the players association etc.

If you add 1mill to the standard salary cap figure of ??? you get a massive figure.

I guess my point is, how could they ever manage to fill up that cap space? If you assume that most of the first rounders will be kept then who gets the rest?

Scary time for list managers trying to find a way to get their players under contract. Of course, all the player managers will be angling towards their players being uncontracted for at the least leverage in their negotiations. Or worse still, off they go to a fantastic location in GC, set up financially for life, and all the clubs get at best is a second rounder.

I know that the concessions had to be generous but they look as though they are starting a dynasty if the draft pool happens to be strong.

[Humble Minion]

I guess my point is, how could they ever manage to fill up that cap space? If you assume that most of the first rounders will be kept then who gets the rest?

Uncontracted players.

Far as i see it, the ridiculously huge salary cap in the first year of the GC is intended to allow the club to offer massive, front-loaded contracts to current players in order to lure them to sign on. Was a rumour (dunno how true it was) that Naitanui was offered $2.5mill over 3 years - the extra salary cap room and the fact that the GC is going to have so many kids on the books mean that they can afford to do this kind of thing. Whether NN was a target or not, they can offer stupid amounts of $, most to be paid in the first year or two while the salary cap is still huge and the GC list is mostly filled with kids who don't demand as much money.

GC will need to get some experienced players on board - I think this is the way that the AFL intend it to happen.

[leon baker #4]

Cheers for that Humble Minion. Much appreciated

That is a massive freaking amount of concessions.

I can only imagine the 2nd sydney team will get even greater ones.

the afl's 'secret formula' sounds worrying

[Chopsy]

THE ENTRY Rules for GC17 into the AFL are as follows:

1. 2009 NAB AFL Draft:

GC17 to have the capacity to sign 12 x 17 year-olds born in the January – April window (Jan-April 1992).

2. 2010 NAB AFL Draft:

GC17 to have Pick One in Each Round.
GC 17 to have Picks 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15 in Round One.

3. 2009 NAB Rookie Draft:

GC17 to have Selections 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.

4. 2010 NAB Rookie Draft

GC17 to alternate Queensland priority selections with Brisbane Lions. GC17 to have first selection.

5. Zoned Access

GC17 to have zoned access to up to five Queensland players prior to each of 2010, 2011 and 2012 NAB AFL Drafts.

GC17 to have zoned access to up to three Northern Territory player prior to the 2010 NAB AFL Draft

6. 2010 Post Season, AFL Listed Played Access

GC17 to have capacity to pre-list 10 players who had previously nominated for the AFL Draft, or were previously listed with an AFL club.

GC17 to have capacity to sign up to 16 uncontracted players.

GC17 will so have an expanded list size and TPP (Total Player Payment) allowance in the club’s initial four years from 2011 to 2014, which would be as follows:

2011 – 48 senior list, nine rookies with $1m TPP extra allowance;
2012 – 46 senior list, nine rookies with $800k TPP extra allowance;
2013 – 42 senior list, nine rookies with $600k TPP extra allowance;
2014 – 40 senior list, nine rookies with $400k TPP extra allowance;
2015 – 38 senior list, nine rookies in line with other AFL clubs.

2010 NAB AFL Draft: (Example Draft Order before trading)

Round One
1 GC17
2 GC17
3 GC17
4 Club 16 on 2010 ladder
5 GC17
6 Club 15 on 2010 ladder
7 GC17
8 Club 14 on 2010 ladder
9 GC17
10 Club 13 on 2010 ladder
11 GC17
12 Club 12 on 2010 ladder
13 GC17
14 Club 11 on 2010 ladder
15 GC17
16 Club 10 on 2010 ladder
17 Club 9 on 2010 ladder
18 Club 8 on 2010 ladder
19 Club 7 on 2010 ladder
20 Club 6 on 2010 ladder
21 Club 5 on 2010 ladder
22 Club 4 on 2010 ladder
23 Club 3 on 2010 ladder
24 Club 2 on 2010 ladder
25 Club 1 on 2010 ladder

Round Two
26 GC17
27 Club 16 on 2010 ladder
28 Club 15 on 2010 ladder
29 Club 14 on 2010 ladder
30 Club 13 on 2010 ladder
31 Club 12 on 2010 ladder
32 Club 11 on 2010 ladder
33 Club 10 on 2010 ladder
34 Club 9 on 2010 ladder
35 Club 8 on 2010 ladder
36 Club 7 on 2010 ladder
37 Club 6 on 2010 ladder
38 Club 5 on 2010 ladder
39 Club 4 on 2010 ladder
40 Club 3 on 2010 ladder
41 Club 2 on 2010 ladder
42 Club 1 on 2010 ladder

Round Three
43 GC 17
44 Club 16 on 2010 ladder
45 Club 15 on 2010 ladder
46 Club 14 on 2010 ladder
47 Club 13 on 2010 ladder
48 Club 12 on 2010 ladder
49 Club 11 on 2010 ladder
50 Club 10 on 2010 ladder
51 Club 9 on 2010 ladder
52 Club 8 on 2010 ladder
53 Club 7 on 2010 ladder
54 Club 6 on 2010 ladder
55 Club 5 on 2010 ladder
56 Club 4 on 2010 ladder
57 Club 3 on 2010 ladder
58 Club 2 on 2010 ladder
59 Club 1 on 2010 ladder

[BengalRyder]

Most people are well aware that Gold Coast will recieve very good concessions but I'm very interested to see what the AFL gives West Sydney in what is arguably a much tougher market.

One major worry with these teams coming in is that our window is likely to open/be open when the Gold Coast start to peak and if they have a decent success rate with many of their early picks we could find ourselves having a very good team that simply can't beat an unbeatable team...

[Jake Brady #10]

i remember reading somewhere that if a uncontracted players decides to leave the club, the club gets a pick on replacement, but the pick is determined by how old the player is, how well they performed in the year just passed and there was something else..

[bombercomfort]

Most people are well aware that Gold Coast will recieve very good concessions but I'm very interested to see what the AFL gives West Sydney in what is arguably a much tougher market.

One major worry with these teams coming in is that our window is likely to open/be open when the Gold Coast start to peak and if they have a decent success rate with many of their early picks we could find ourselves having a very good team that simply can't beat an unbeatable team...

Narh. Our Window will really open in 2011 (2010 we have a good shot too, much like the Hawks last year to jag one), and prob go till say 2015. The GC and WS teams will take 2-3 years to become a real force, so we still have those 3 years as a window without them. They will be rising as we are falling just like the lions were in 2001.

[yaco55]

Lets give the GC the first 20 picks in the 2009 and 2010 Draft.

I would love EFC to play a team of 18 to 20 year olds.

A certain win is in the offing.

GC will be lucky to win 6 to games in their first 2 years.

GC may take 3 or 4 years to have a decent team .

[The Jigsaw Man]

No wonder WCE are tanking.

Can this be pinned, at least with Humble's and Chopsy's bits? (I mean text).

[Soulnet]

Gold Coast's draft rules explained - Hope this helps.

1. 2009 NAB AFL Draft
Gold Coast to have the capacity to sign 12 x 17 year-olds born in the January – April window (January 1 to April 30, 1992).

2. 2010 NAB AFL Draft
Gold Coast to have first pick in each round and
Gold Coast to have selections 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15 in round one

3. 2009 NAB Rookie Draft
Gold Coast to have selections 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5

4. 2010 NAB Rookie Draft
Gold Coast to alternate Queensland priority selections with Brisbane Lions. Gold Coast to have first selection

5. Zoned access
Gold Coast to have zoned access to up to five Queensland players prior to each of 2010, 2011 and 2012 NAB AFL Drafts
Gold Coast to have zoned access to up to three Northern Territory players prior to the 2010 NAB AFL Draft

6. 2010 Post-season, AFL listed player access
Gold Coast to have capacity to pre-list 10 players who had previously nominated for the AFL Draft, or were previously listed with an AFL club.

Gold Coast to have capacity to sign up to 16 uncontracted players

Gold Coast would also have an expanded list size and TPP allowance in the club’s initial four years from 2011 to 2014, which would be as follows:

2011 – 48 senior list, nine rookies with $1m TPP extra allowance;
2012 – 46 senior list, nine rookies with $800k TPP extra allowance;
2013 – 42 senior list, nine rookies with $600k TPP extra allowance;
2014 – 40 senior list, nine rookies with $400k TPP extra allowance;
2015 – 38 senior list, nine rookies in line with other AFL clubs.

As part of the entry rules for the Gold Coast side, the AFL Commission resolved that any club that lost a player to the expansion side would be eligible for a compensation pick (after the entry of both Gold Coast and the second club to be based in Sydney).

Compensation picks will be tradeable and can be used by clubs at any time within five years. First round compensation picks cannot be used until the end of the first round in the 2010 and 2011 drafts. Clubs will be required to nominate the year in which they plan to use the compensation pick before the first round of the Toyota AFL Premiership Season in that particular year.

The compensatory pick would be assessed around the player’s age (greater weighting for younger players), club contract ranking (greater weighting for club key players), onfield performance (greater weighting for strong club best and fairest performance) and draft position if less than four years experience.

This ranking system will then determine if a club is eligible for a compensatory pick in one of five spots – first-round pick, end-of-first-round pick, second-round pick, end-of-second-round pick or third-round pick. Under the model, the round-one, round-two or round-three picks would be taken immediately after the pick the club already has in that round in the draft that year.

How the 2010 NAB AFL Draft would look under these concession rules (indicative draft order before trading)

Round one
1 Gold Coast
2 Gold Coast
3 Gold Coast
4 Club 16 on 2010 ladder
5 Gold Coast
6 Club 15 on 2010 ladder
7 Gold Coast
8 Club 14 on 2010 ladder
9 Gold Coast
10 Club 13 on 2010 ladder
11 Gold Coast
12 Club 12 on 2010 ladder
13 Gold Coast
14 Club 11 on 2010 ladder
15 Gold Coast
16 Club 10 on 2010 ladder
17 Club 9 on 2010 ladder
18 Club 8 on 2010 ladder
19 Club 7 on 2010 ladder
20 Club 6 on 2010 ladder
21 Club 5 on 2010 ladder
22 Club 4 on 2010 ladder
23 Club 3 on 2010 ladder
24 Club 2 on 2010 ladder
25 Club 1 on 2010 ladder

Round two
26 Gold Coast
27 Club 16 on 2010 ladder
28 Club 15 on 2010 ladder
29 Club 14 on 2010 ladder
30 Club 13 on 2010 ladder
31 Club 12 on 2010 ladder
32 Club 11 on 2010 ladder
33 Club 10 on 2010 ladder
34 Club 9 on 2010 ladder
35 Club 8 on 2010 ladder
36 Club 7 on 2010 ladder
37 Club 6 on 2010 ladder
38 Club 5 on 2010 ladder
39 Club 4 on 2010 ladder
40 Club 3 on 2010 ladder
41 Club 2 on 2010 ladder
42 Club 1 on 2010 ladder

Round three
43 Gold Coast
44 Club 16 on 2010 ladder
45 Club 15 on 2010 ladder
46 Club 14 on 2010 ladder
47 Club 13 on 2010 ladder
48 Club 12 on 2010 ladder
49 Club 11 on 2010 ladder
50 Club 10 on 2010 ladder
51 Club 9 on 2010 ladder
52 Club 8 on 2010 ladder
53 Club 7 on 2010 ladder
54 Club 6 on 2010 ladder
55 Club 5 on 2010 ladder
56 Club 4 on 2010 ladder
57 Club 3 on 2010 ladder
58 Club 2 on 2010 ladder
59 Club 1 on 2010 ladder

[BobtheBomber]

What happens to 1st-round priority picks? Do the GC or the priority team get pick 1?

[Reboot]

That's bullshit. Way too generous for mine.

[Max Factor]

And it'll be on again for West Sydney as well.